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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Dorsal view of a Setvena wahkeena (Perlodidae) (Wahkeena Springfly) Stonefly Nymph from Mystery Creek #199 in Washington
As far as I can tell, this species has only previously been reported from one site in Oregon along the Columbia gorge. However, the key characteristics are fairly unmistakable in all except for one minor detail:
— 4 small yellow spots on frons visible in photos
— Narrow occipital spinule row curves forward (but doesn’t quite meet on stem of ecdysial suture, as it's supposed to in this species)
— Short spinules on anterior margin of front legs
— Short rposterior row of blunt spinules on abdominal tergae, rather than elongated spinules dorsally
I caught several of these mature nymphs in the fishless, tiny headwaters of a creek high in the Wenatchee Mountains.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Pottsville Pa

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Flytyerinpa on Oct 12, 2018October 12th, 2018, 9:56 am EDT
Wondering if any body ever ordered any necks or saddles from Campfire Lodge in West Yellowstone Mt.?
I ordered a couple necks from there a week ago, and so far I have not even gotten a automated copy of my order, a notice it's no its way, nothing.
I even called them 3 times only to get a recording.
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York & Starlight PA

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Wbranch on Oct 12, 2018October 12th, 2018, 11:25 am EDT
It doesn't sound good. If you paid with PayPal you can have them intervene. I had trouble with two vendors and after I contacted PP I had a favorable resolution within one day.

I went to their FB page and saw this comment on a video;

It’s our final day for the 2018 season. We will be serving until 2:00 PM. It’s your last chance for “ The Best Breakfast West of the Mississippi

I never heard of Campfire Lodge and I search many fly fishing web sites. Firstly I never buy dry fly necks or saddles on line. But I buy all sorts of other fly tying stuff. I stick with big well known shops like "The Fly Shop" in Mercer, CA FishUSA in Erie, PA. Bass Pro has terrible pricing on their fly tying material.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Oscoda, MI

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Jmd123 on Oct 12, 2018October 12th, 2018, 12:38 pm EDT
I'm with Matt, I like to see and handle a neck before I plunk down a big chunk of change for one. After all, a good one is gonna cost you and should last you a good long time, too. One exception was that a fellow Troutnut sold me a few really nice necks for insanely cheap a few years back, but of course I'm not going to say who it was and I trust a fellow Troutnut if he or she says they have a really nice neck. Pretty much my only exception to the rule...be aware of sales, I nailed two Whiting gold necks, one dyed black and the other white, for $45 each. Two for the price of one! That was at an Orvis shop downstate (Royal Oak, MI), they were sitting in the Bargain bin, no BS. So, it pays to go to your local shop just to see what they've got.

No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Pottsville Pa

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Flytyerinpa on Oct 12, 2018October 12th, 2018, 1:41 pm EDT
Thanks Wbranch and Jmd123, Just my luck I'm not sure how I even found that place, all of his necks and saddles are numbered you get the exact one you pick, not that its a substitute for actually having it in hand. I'm about 60 miles from Bass Pro and 20 miles from Cabalas but both are terrible on price. I do buy a lot from on line just never any necks or saddle before.
I use to go to fly shows the prices are just a little better but they only carry the basic colors they know they will sell.
For 3 years I was looking for a ply neck, rusty dun neck, and a few others from whiting, never found any of them.
Since I've started going to the fly shows every year there are less and less vendors selling fly tying stuff, last year I think I bought one cream saddle, a replacement net, and some thread the show was bigger but there were so many vendors selling things that didn't have anything to do with any kind of fishing, wine, women's clothing, women's jewelry I think the hotels are charging Chuck to much for the space which means he has to charge the vendors more
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Iasgair on Oct 16, 2018October 16th, 2018, 6:13 am EDT
Here are some shops I have dealt with having great service.



All have been superb. But as others have said, it's good to look at necks and saddles personally before you buy. But if you can't, these three places are worth the shopping.
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Pottsville Pa

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Flytyerinpa on Oct 17, 2018October 17th, 2018, 9:08 am EDT
Thankfully I received my necks I ordered today, nice quality feathers, normally I have to see them and feel them before I buy anything like necks or saddles. But not having any fly shops in my area, well I took a chance just not sure I would do it again.
But in all fairness to Camp Fire Lodge I did get what I ordered, I did get it for the price advertised, I guess the only down fall is they seem to take there time with filling the orders, but that could be the time of year it is. Ed
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Oscoda, MI

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Jmd123 on Oct 17, 2018October 17th, 2018, 9:37 am EDT
So they look good? Glad you ended up getting what you paid for, just took a bit longer than you expected. All's well that ends well.

No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Gallitzin PA

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PABrownie on Oct 23, 2018October 23rd, 2018, 12:33 am EDT
Sounds like your used to ordering things from amazon and not actual shops. Things dont come the next day when you order from a small shop. Relax next time.

You said in your original post on the 12th that you ordered them a week ago, so lets say that puts you at the 5th of October, and you received them on the 17th. Thats not post worthy, actually thats pretty damn quick for a small shop, thats literally ordered, and received in two weeks. Thats almost as fast as Amazon, for a small shop thats amazing.
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Los Angeles, CA / Pullman, WA

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Planettrout on Oct 28, 2018October 28th, 2018, 9:58 am EDT
F.Y.I. Campfire Lodge is not located in West Yellowstone, MT. It is a resort with campsites, cabins, a restaurant and fly shop located between Hegben Lake and Quake Lake on the Madison River. Having been there on a number of occasions, they have an excellent selection of capes, saddles and necks - probably more than most fly shops in the U.S.

This is a place I would highly recommend to those who tie or want a prime location to stay when fishing the Madison River. It is also just up the road from Kelly Galloup's Slide Inn and fly shop...


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TNEAL on Nov 6, 2018November 6th, 2018, 2:33 am EST
I used to buy a lot of saddles from them; they were having a 20% off sale every February.Service was very good; no problems.

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