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Lateral view of a Male Baetis (Baetidae) (Blue-Winged Olive) Mayfly Dun from Mystery Creek #43 in New York
Blue-winged Olives
Baetis

Tiny Baetis mayflies are perhaps the most commonly encountered and imitated by anglers on all American trout streams due to their great abundance, widespread distribution, and trout-friendly emergence habits.

Dorsal view of a Grammotaulius betteni (Limnephilidae) (Northern Caddisfly) Caddisfly Larva from the Yakima River in Washington
This is a striking caddis larva with an interesting color pattern on the head. Here are some characteristics I was able to see under the microscope, but could not easily expose for a picture:
- The prosternal horn is present.
- The mandible is clearly toothed, not formed into a uniform scraper blade.
- The seems to be only 2 major setae on the ventral edge of the hind femur.
- Chloride epithelia seem to be absent from the dorsal side of any abdominal segments.
Based on these characteristics and the ones more easily visible from the pictures, this seems to be Grammotaulius. The key's description of the case is spot-on: "Case cylindrical, made of longitudinally arranged sedge or similar leaves," as is the description of the markings on the head, "Dorsum of head light brownish yellow with numerous discrete, small, dark spots." The spot pattern on the head is a very good match to figure 19.312 of Merritt R.W., Cummins, K.W., and Berg, M.B. (2019). The species ID is based on Grammotaulius betteni being the only species of this genus known in Washington state.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Martinlf on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 12:08 pm EDT
Here's a follow up to the "Neck Problems" thread for Bruce and any others looking to buy feathers from a reliable dealer. The Fly Shack, in Gloversville New York, has some Whiting Silver half capes. (It appears easy to find half capes in Bronze, but not so easy to find them in Silver). I bought a gorgeous medium dun half cape through Amazon, got 10.00 off by signing up for a store card, and paid 40.00 total, with free shipping. It has the longest feathers I've ever seen on a cape, tons of size 16-24 feathers, dense hackles, and nice flexible stems. Hook and Hackle in Pennsylvania has plenty of Whiting capes also, full price, but they have excellent customer service with no hassles or BS. They currently have free shipping also. I bought a half Bronze black cape from them, which should arrive tomorrow, just in time to tie up some little black stones.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Crepuscular on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 1:53 pm EDT
Louis, did you buy them in person or did you let them select them for you and have them shipped?
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Wbranch on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 3:12 pm EDT
I believe fly tiers can pretty much buy anything they want, or need, sight unseen. But when it comes to dry fly necks I have always preferred to see, touch, and thoroughly examine them before making a purchase.

I have found more than just a few saddles that in my mind were incorrectly graded. They are marked as a #2 dry fly neck but are truly #1's in my book. I usually only buy saddles as I believe I get more bang for my buck. Most of my saddles have feathers that are at least 6" long and many are 8" long. I can tie half a dozen flies easily with just one hackle.

I used to buy a full Hoffman saddle and spit it lengthwise with my buddy long before they were selling 1/2 and 1/4 necks. If you are fussy about how your dry flies look I think, in most cases, you should go to the retailer and look at many saddles or necks of various colors so you can learn what to look for and see the difference between a very good neck and one that is great.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Martinlf on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 4:13 pm EDT
Eric, I asked them to select them for me and had them shipped. Matt is, of course, right, and I prefer to pick over necks when I can, but it's become almost impossible to find Whiting silver half necks, and I didn't want a whole neck for either of these. The dun is more important to me, as I use very few black hackles, mostly just for little stoneflies and midges. I'll let you know what Hook and Hackle sends, but I was more than delighted with the dun neck from the Fly Shack. Hook and Hackle takes returns, and I think pays return shipping. I recently spent a good bit of time looking over a stack of Keough dun half necks and did find one that I liked, but put it in the back of the stack to think about for a while. The Whiting neck is a lot nicer, but I would have returned it had I not liked it; Amazon is very good about returns also. The problem I had with Feather Emporium actually had to do with a return and the service I encountered on it.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Jmd123 on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 5:18 pm EDT
I picked up a Whiting Silver half-cape of medium dun last year - ordered a half a bronze from Feather-craft but they were out of bronze so I went for the silver. BEAUTIFUL, looooong feathers, very nice color (great for Light Hendricksons, Red Quills, Elkhair caddis, etc.), very much worth the money. If you're careful you can tie two or even three flies off each feather!

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Martinlf on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 5:52 pm EDT
Another good source, then, Jonathon.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Jmd123 on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 7:59 pm EDT
Haven't ordered any from them lately so I can't give you the most updated info, but they seem to be pretty well stocked so check them out.

www.feather-craft.com

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Oldredbarn on Mar 21, 2013March 21st, 2013, 8:15 pm EDT
http://www.jimsflyco.com/

Mark Libertone's buddy Jim Slattery out in West Yellowstone...I ordered some hen from him that are so beautiful it hurts to pull a feather from the skin. :) Nice stuff...

With rooster, I too agree with Matt, that one should hold it in you hand and check it out closely...I have had close friends whose knowledge I trusted...but...

Once, many years ago, my mother wanted to know what I wanted for Christmas...I gave her Rusty Gates' phone number, told her to speak to no one but him, and tell him who you are,Spence's mom, and tell him how much you want to spend...I wasn't disappointed in the least. :) She grew up on a farm in western Maryland and nearly fell over when she found out how much she had spent on chicken feathers...:)

When everyone was bending Rusty's ear in the morning in the shop I would be standing back in the hackle corner in the back of the shop staring at necks...He once sold me a primo neck he had sat aside for his tiers, when he showed it to me, and I wouldn't give it back to him...:)

Spence

"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

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Sayfu on Mar 24, 2013March 24th, 2013, 6:04 am EDT
Our big Fly Tying Expo is coming up here in less than 3 wks. Dr. Whiting use to have a booth, and bring a big lot of 2nds that he'd sell for $10 ea. Boy did the guys crowd into his booth. And I was one of them. I got to talk to Dr. Whiting for sometime. One of his good stories was the long, small hackle size saddles they were producing. The ends would drag on the ground, and ruin the hackle, so they produced a chicken with longer legs.

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