Hex Mayflies
Hexagenia limbata
The famous nocturnal Hex hatch of the Midwest (and a few other lucky locations) stirs to the surface mythically large brown trout that only touch streamers for the rest of the year.
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It's only barely visible in one of my pictures, but I confirmed under the microscope that this one has a prosternal horn and the antennae are mid-way between the eyes and front of the head capsule.
I'm calling this one Pycnopsyche, but it's a bit perplexing. It seems to key definitively to at least Couplet 8 of the Key to Genera of Limnephilidae Larvae. That narrows it down to three genera, and the case seems wrong for the other two. The case looks right for Pycnopsyche, and it fits one of the key characteristics: "Abdominal sternum II without chloride epithelium and abdominal segment IX with only single seta on each side of dorsal sclerite." However, the characteristic "metanotal sa1 sclerites not fused, although often contiguous" does not seem to fit well. Those sclerites sure look fused to me, although I can make out a thin groove in the touching halves in the anterior half under the microscope. Perhaps this is a regional variation.
The only species of Pycnopsyche documented in Washington state is Pycnopsyche guttifera, and the colors and markings around the head of this specimen seem to match very well a specimen of that species from Massachusetts on Bugguide. So I am placing it in that species for now.
Whatever species this is, I photographed another specimen of seemingly the same species from the same spot a couple months later.
I'm calling this one Pycnopsyche, but it's a bit perplexing. It seems to key definitively to at least Couplet 8 of the Key to Genera of Limnephilidae Larvae. That narrows it down to three genera, and the case seems wrong for the other two. The case looks right for Pycnopsyche, and it fits one of the key characteristics: "Abdominal sternum II without chloride epithelium and abdominal segment IX with only single seta on each side of dorsal sclerite." However, the characteristic "metanotal sa1 sclerites not fused, although often contiguous" does not seem to fit well. Those sclerites sure look fused to me, although I can make out a thin groove in the touching halves in the anterior half under the microscope. Perhaps this is a regional variation.
The only species of Pycnopsyche documented in Washington state is Pycnopsyche guttifera, and the colors and markings around the head of this specimen seem to match very well a specimen of that species from Massachusetts on Bugguide. So I am placing it in that species for now.
Whatever species this is, I photographed another specimen of seemingly the same species from the same spot a couple months later.
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OldHasBeen on Feb 3, 2018February 3rd, 2018, 8:53 am EST
Any tips on getting the hackles right on smaller"Soft Hackle" flys? What I am having problems with is finding feathers (ie: partridge) small enough for fly's #16 and smaller to wrap in the traditional manner. Thanks All
Wbranch on Feb 3, 2018February 3rd, 2018, 9:45 am EST
It is very rare that you will ever find any Hungarian partridge or American grouse feathers in sizes smaller than #14. If you do the stems are very often so fine and brittle that it is very hard to palmer a feather without the stem breaking. Once in awhile I will be able to get a turn or two without the stem breaking.
However I really don't think it is all that important to exactly match the barbule length to the hook size on soft hackle flies. If you look at good pictures of soft hackle flies you will often see that the hackle is maybe one, or two, sizes larger than what would be considered normal for that hook size. A little more barbule length will impart more action to the fly and the trout won't be rejecting your offering.
Sometimes I will use a very small #16 dun colored wet fly hackle and before wrapping it onto the hook shank I color some barring on it with a black indelible marking pen. It looks quite good and I doubt the trout can tell the difference.
However I really don't think it is all that important to exactly match the barbule length to the hook size on soft hackle flies. If you look at good pictures of soft hackle flies you will often see that the hackle is maybe one, or two, sizes larger than what would be considered normal for that hook size. A little more barbule length will impart more action to the fly and the trout won't be rejecting your offering.
Sometimes I will use a very small #16 dun colored wet fly hackle and before wrapping it onto the hook shank I color some barring on it with a black indelible marking pen. It looks quite good and I doubt the trout can tell the difference.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
OldHasBeen on Feb 4, 2018February 4th, 2018, 9:19 am EST
Thank you for the tip.... I'll be sure to give that a try!!!
Martinlf on Feb 6, 2018February 6th, 2018, 4:08 pm EST
Lloyd Gonzales actually spins partridge sort of like deer hair to size it. His book explains how. You'll find my review of the book on Amazon, along with several others by Troutnuts. https://www.amazon.com/Fly-Fishing-Pressured-Water-Lloyd-Gonzales-ebook/dp/B00511HF1A
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"
--Fred Chappell
--Fred Chappell
Wbranch on Feb 6, 2018February 6th, 2018, 11:34 pm EST
Louis wrote;
That sounds like a neat idea maybe you can explain it to me someday so I don't have to buy the book.
actually spins partridge sort of like deer hair to size it.
That sounds like a neat idea maybe you can explain it to me someday so I don't have to buy the book.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
PABrownie on Feb 7, 2018February 7th, 2018, 3:41 am EST
I use this method demonstrated here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31DWumnrPIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31DWumnrPIs
RleeP on Feb 7, 2018February 7th, 2018, 4:47 am EST
>>I use this method demonstrated here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31DWumnrPIs>>
This is basically what I have always done. Tie oversize fibers in at desired length and facing forward, then use thread tension and hand manipulation to get as close to a 360 degree splay as I can and then fold back and finish. Actually, I often do it this way even when I have feathers with the right length fibers. Trying to wind a partridge, chukar or starling feather often overloads my already limited capacity for patience. This is easier and better for my nerves...
Thanks PABrownie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31DWumnrPIs>>
This is basically what I have always done. Tie oversize fibers in at desired length and facing forward, then use thread tension and hand manipulation to get as close to a 360 degree splay as I can and then fold back and finish. Actually, I often do it this way even when I have feathers with the right length fibers. Trying to wind a partridge, chukar or starling feather often overloads my already limited capacity for patience. This is easier and better for my nerves...
Thanks PABrownie!
Martinlf on Feb 8, 2018February 8th, 2018, 5:12 am EST
Matt, it's on sale on Amazon for 15.00. A steal. But I'll be glad to show you if I get a chance. The YouTube videos show basically what he does.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"
--Fred Chappell
--Fred Chappell
Wbranch on Feb 8, 2018February 8th, 2018, 11:03 am EST
Louis,
Thanks. I looked at the YouTube video and it is very well presented. I understood it easily and if I ever get the urge to tie again I will give it a try. Ever since I had my cataract surgery in April of 2017 I have not been able to tie flies without the aid of low magnification prescription glasses and those Flip Focal gadgets. It is annoying and I've only tied five dry flies and three streamers since my surgery. Sooner or later I need to come to terms with wearing the corrective lens or sell all my fly tying equipment and the roll top desk.
Thanks. I looked at the YouTube video and it is very well presented. I understood it easily and if I ever get the urge to tie again I will give it a try. Ever since I had my cataract surgery in April of 2017 I have not been able to tie flies without the aid of low magnification prescription glasses and those Flip Focal gadgets. It is annoying and I've only tied five dry flies and three streamers since my surgery. Sooner or later I need to come to terms with wearing the corrective lens or sell all my fly tying equipment and the roll top desk.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Martinlf on Feb 10, 2018February 10th, 2018, 3:49 pm EST
Matt, I tie with a lighted magnifier over the vise. I think I got it as an office supply store. Suspended from an arm with adjustments for height and angle, it has a circular fluorescent bulb and with the light and magnification, I tie tricos down to size 28 with ease. I couldn't tie without it for sure.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"
--Fred Chappell
--Fred Chappell
Wbranch on Feb 11, 2018February 11th, 2018, 2:38 am EST
Louis,
Thanks for the tip. I have seen those circular lights with the magnifier in the center years ago when I was working and just forgot all about them until you mentioned it. I will look into that.
Thanks for the tip. I have seen those circular lights with the magnifier in the center years ago when I was working and just forgot all about them until you mentioned it. I will look into that.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
RleeP on Feb 11, 2018February 11th, 2018, 7:03 am EST
Matt: If you want to try the magnifier lamp approach and not sink a lot of $ into it until you know if it suits you, you might try this one. It's pretty basic and you'll need a mounting arrangement that accepts a c-clamp. But, I've been tying with it for the past 15 years and through the 5X viewer, it makes tying a size #18 dry fly like hitching a boat to a dock. Makes me feel like I have the eyes of a 30 year old again and I'm only 8-10 years younger than you
$29.99 from the Cabela's Division of Bass Pro..
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Clamp-On-Magnifying-Lamp/1439363.uts?slotId=1
$29.99 from the Cabela's Division of Bass Pro..
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Clamp-On-Magnifying-Lamp/1439363.uts?slotId=1
Wbranch on Feb 12, 2018February 12th, 2018, 12:23 pm EST
I read all of the reviews for the light you recommended. I see you have had yours for 15 years. More reviews were negative than positive. Most people complained about the flimsiness of the clamping mechanism. I think if I go with this design I will get the $69 model with the round light and magnifier.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Martinlf on Feb 17, 2018February 17th, 2018, 8:14 am EST
Matt, the clamp on mine did break for me and I fixed it with JB weld. That happened so long ago, I'd forgotten about it, but it was a pain at the time. I like the quality of magnification and light a lot in my unit, but the reviewers were right about clamps being a possible weak point. Do check the unit if you can; the quality of magnifiers and light varies.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"
--Fred Chappell
--Fred Chappell
Wbranch on Feb 17, 2018February 17th, 2018, 11:44 am EST
Hi Louis,
Been thinking of fishing lately? We just got 3" of snow and just two days ago it was 70 degrees and I drove around with my window down.
I plan on fishing the Tully and the LJ most of April and not heading up to the cabin until the beginning of April. My wife and I just booked a week on the island of Antigua the 2nd week of April.
Who knows if we get some warm April days I may drive up to SC.
Been thinking of fishing lately? We just got 3" of snow and just two days ago it was 70 degrees and I drove around with my window down.
I plan on fishing the Tully and the LJ most of April and not heading up to the cabin until the beginning of April. My wife and I just booked a week on the island of Antigua the 2nd week of April.
Who knows if we get some warm April days I may drive up to SC.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Martinlf on Feb 18, 2018February 18th, 2018, 1:47 pm EST
Sounds good, Matt. I'm still getting my students on task, but will get out in the next month or so. I wonder if the Tully will fish any better this year than last. Caddis were few and far between when I was over. I hear they're doing road work up toward SC; you might check on this before heading out.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"
--Fred Chappell
--Fred Chappell
Wbranch on Feb 19, 2018February 19th, 2018, 10:42 am EST
Hi Louis,
That should of read "and not heading up to the cabin until the beginning of May". I used to go up the 3rd weekend in April and while sometimes there were Hendrickson's for the most part the evenings were still quite cold and I had to use the heat. The next day the water wouldn't warm up enough to get the mayflies to emerge until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
Now I find waiting until the beginning of May the fishing is better. Thanks for the heads up on the road construction going up to SC.
and not heading up to the cabin until the beginning of April.
That should of read "and not heading up to the cabin until the beginning of May". I used to go up the 3rd weekend in April and while sometimes there were Hendrickson's for the most part the evenings were still quite cold and I had to use the heat. The next day the water wouldn't warm up enough to get the mayflies to emerge until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
Now I find waiting until the beginning of May the fishing is better. Thanks for the heads up on the road construction going up to SC.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Joerobert on Nov 5, 2018November 5th, 2018, 6:06 am EST
You could also use starling feathers. I have used them for small soft hackles with good results.
Joe
Joe
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