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Lateral view of a Female Hexagenia limbata (Ephemeridae) (Hex) Mayfly Dun from the Namekagon River in Wisconsin
Hex Mayflies
Hexagenia limbata

The famous nocturnal Hex hatch of the Midwest (and a few other lucky locations) stirs to the surface mythically large brown trout that only touch streamers for the rest of the year.

Lateral view of a Psychodidae True Fly Larva from Mystery Creek #308 in Washington
This wild-looking little thing completely puzzled me. At first I was thinking beetle or month larva, until I got a look at the pictures on the computer screen. I made a couple of incorrect guesses before entomologist Greg Courtney pointed me in the right direction with Psychodidae. He suggested a possible genus of Thornburghiella, but could not rule out some other members of the tribe Pericomini.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Al514
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Al514 on Oct 27, 2013October 27th, 2013, 2:22 pm EDT
Sight fishing at its finest....to Landlocked Salmon!

This was the largest fish from today. Landed a couple more, lost one as well. Purple always seems to work best with these guys.

Great way to spend a fall day!
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Oldredbarn on Oct 27, 2013October 27th, 2013, 3:15 pm EDT
Look at the kype on that bad boy! Nice!

Spence

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Crepuscular on Oct 27, 2013October 27th, 2013, 4:25 pm EDT
Nice. I wanna do that!
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Kschaefer3 on Oct 28, 2013October 28th, 2013, 6:03 am EDT
Nice. I wanna do that!

Me too!! What a beast.
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Jmd123 on Oct 28, 2013October 28th, 2013, 10:42 am EDT
Wow, that's a scary-looking dude. Well done Sir!

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
Al514
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Al514 on Oct 29, 2013October 29th, 2013, 4:13 am EDT
Thanks guys.
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JOHNW on Oct 29, 2013October 29th, 2013, 2:44 pm EDT
Very nice.
Am I safe to assume those are not Salmon River or Great Lakes fish?
"old habits are hard to kill once you have gray in your beard" -Old Red Barn
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Al514 on Oct 29, 2013October 29th, 2013, 4:16 pm EDT
Correct - those aren't Salmon River / Great Lakes fish.

Finger Lakes Fish.
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Oldredbarn on Oct 31, 2013October 31st, 2013, 4:16 am EDT
Finger Lakes Fish.


JohnW, Louis...How can we be sure that Artie Loomis isn't "Gonzo" posting under an assumed name? ;)

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
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Wbranch on Nov 2, 2013November 2nd, 2013, 11:35 pm EDT
Just a monster! awesome fish, well done. Great kype. Fight well? Check your PM's
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Wbranch on Nov 2, 2013November 2nd, 2013, 11:42 pm EDT
John wrote:

"Am I safe to assume those are not Salmon River or Great Lakes fish?"

John, I might be mistaken but I'm quite sure the SR has no lanlocked salmon. An attempt to re-establish Atlantic Salmon has been underway on the SR, and it's tributaries, for at least twenty years. The SR gets it's name from the zillions of salmon that once roamed Lake Ontario's depths (although I don't really understand how atlantic salmon could of been there) I'm not aware of any river exiting Lake Ontario that empties into the Atlantic ocean. For sea going Atlantic salmon to have swum in LO that would have been a prerequisite. I often wonder if the salmon that is spoke of were not in fact landlocked salmon?? Can anyone else shed more light on this?
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Gutcutter on Nov 3, 2013November 3rd, 2013, 5:47 am EST
The SR gets it's name from the zillions of salmon that once roamed Lake Ontario's depths (although I don't really understand how atlantic salmon could of been there) I'm not aware of any river exiting Lake Ontario that empties into the Atlantic ocean.

St. Lawrence River a.k.a. St. Lawrence Seaway
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Jmd123 on Nov 3, 2013November 3rd, 2013, 8:22 am EST
From what I have read, Atlantic salmon have long existed in Lake Ontario, having access to the lake through the St. Lawrence as Tony has pointed out. Sea lamprey and alewives, two species that caused havoc in the upper Great Lakes, have also always co-existed with the Atlantic salmon in Lake Ontario, gaining access to the upper Great lakes only after the construction of the Erie and Welland Canals to bypass Niagara Falls for shipping. interestingly enough, Atlantic salmon apparently didn't follow these other two species...

That's what I know anyway, if someone else knows more please correct me.

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Al514 on Nov 3, 2013November 3rd, 2013, 1:43 pm EST
I believe Atlantic Salmon were native to Lake Ontario. Looks like they became extinct around the turn of the century.

Check this report: http://www.glfc.org/pubs/TechReports/Tr36.pdf

From my understanding, Landlocked Salmon and Atlantic Salmon are the same thing. Landlocked salmon simply have no ocean to dwell in, so they are "Land Locked". Since Lake O does have an outlet to the Atlantic, I believe the correct term for the Lake O fish is Atlantic Salmon.
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PaulRoberts on Nov 3, 2013November 3rd, 2013, 2:14 pm EST
The Feds had a mandate to reintroduce AS to Lake Ontario. I met the guy in charge and it appeared he was underfunded but determined. He also received flack from the Charter Boat association that feared AS would interfere with Pacific salmon stocking -the bread and butter of the industry. It got ugly. It was sad. Don't know where it stands now.

An early planting by the state brought very limited success. A number of potentially viable streams were stocked with parr and I inadvertently caught quite a few, and eventually learned how to avoid them. Streams were then closed to fishing in the fall they were expected to return. None did in many of the smaller tribs stocked. But the Salmon River had a modest return. A friend, Fran Verdoliva, caught a number of them up to about 14lbs. I knew of one caught by a charter boat in the lake proper that was 19lbs. But the poor return, the flack from commercial fishing interests, and the fallout from stream closure, crushed state support. They do maintain hatchery stock though and plant them in a number of larger lakes in NY including the Finger Lakes.

One thing that turned out to be pretty cool about the stream closure was that it excluded the lifters (surreptitious snaggers) and allowed the browns. bows, coho and chinook to behave naturally. This brought flocks of interested spectators and everyone agreed it was just a refresher to get to watch. Prior, any visible fish would have been snatched as soon as it appeared.
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JOHNW on Nov 4, 2013November 4th, 2013, 11:43 am EST
Sorry Matt I was having a brain cramp and I saw a monster of a brown as opposed to the land locked salmon. I have heard of atlantics being caught in the Salmon though but it is not a common event. I know big lake run browns are far more common.
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