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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
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Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Dorsal view of a Baetis (Baetidae) (Blue-Winged Olive) Mayfly Nymph from Mystery Creek #62 in New York
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Earlfishman on Apr 11, 2007April 11th, 2007, 5:20 pm EDT
Jason,

I really enjoy your site, you've got some great photos and some really good info. I just wanted to let you know that this mayfly looks like it might actually be a Baetis sp., not a Diphetor hageni. Diphetor's antenna would be much closer together at the base and there would definitely be no gill on ab seg. 1. I can't give you a sure ID without photos of the front of the head and the mouth parts.

Keep up the good work.

Earl
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Troutnut on Apr 12, 2007April 12th, 2007, 5:53 pm EDT
Hi Earl,

Glad you like the site. I just re-traced my ID of this specimen in the keys in Merrit & Cummins, and I branch away from Baetis with this one at a couplet checking to see whether a femoral villopore is present. I can't see one on this specimen, so I followed a sequence which led to Diphetor. Perhaps my pictures aren't detailed enough with regard to that feature?

If this becomes really interesting, I can pick the specimen back out of the alcohol and check for that under a microscope. For now I'm going to take your "not Diphetor" ID and reclassify this one as an unknown Baetid.
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Konchu on Apr 13, 2007April 13th, 2007, 3:25 am EDT
Villipore is often difficult to see; try keying it again, if you get the chance, under the assumption that the villipore is present. What do you get?
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Troutnut on Apr 13, 2007April 13th, 2007, 4:04 am EDT
In that case, Baetis. I'll move it there for now.

It is frustrating that even when I take a bunch of really close-up pictures I still don't have what I need to see many of the key features used in identification. I wish I had an electron microscope!
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Earlfishman on Apr 13, 2007April 13th, 2007, 11:37 am EDT
The villipore is actually nearly impossible to see without a compound scope, I really don't like that character.

Keep in mind that when you get to that couplet, you are heading towards only 4 genera. Both Diphetor hageni and Fallceon quilleri have a distinct keel between the antennal bases and Diphetor has no gill on ab 1. Cloedes is seriously geographically restricted and Acerpenna has the pointy gill on seg 7 and a really thick terminal abdominal filament.

Baetis sp. is a safe place to leave that bug.

Earl
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Troutnut on Apr 13, 2007April 13th, 2007, 4:10 pm EDT
Thanks Earl! That should really simplify some of my future ID work.

Are you a professional entomologist?
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
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