Header image
Enter a name
Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Dorsal view of a Kogotus (Perlodidae) Stonefly Nymph from Mystery Creek #199 in Washington
This one pretty clearly keys to Kogotus, but it also looks fairly different from specimens I caught in the same creek about a month later in the year. With only one species of the genus known in Washington, I'm not sure about the answer to this ID.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
Troutnut is a project started in 2003 by salmonid ecologist Jason "Troutnut" Neuswanger to help anglers and fly tyers unabashedly embrace the entomological side of the sport. Learn more about Troutnut or support the project for an enhanced experience here.

Adirman
Adirman's profile picture
Monticello, NY

Posts: 479
Adirman on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 2:37 am EDT
Guys;

I was wondering what you use to float your leader better while fishing a dry to keep it up high. I usually just put some gink dry-fly ointment on there that I squirt out on my fingers; is there better stuff for that??
Troutnut
Troutnut's profile picture
Administrator
Bellevue, WA

Posts: 2758
Troutnut on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 2:55 am EDT
I just use Gink, too.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
PaulRoberts
PaulRoberts's profile picture
Colorado

Posts: 1776
PaulRoberts on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 5:10 am EDT
Whatever I have I guess. I was cleaning out a university lab at one time and took home a little jar of "silicon vacuum grease" (used for a lubricating a medical pump) and have used it ever since. Sticky silicone that floats the leader for a while. I re-grease throughout the day.
Martinlf
Martinlf's profile picture
Moderator
Palmyra PA

Posts: 3047
Martinlf on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 9:08 am EDT
Mucilin
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
Adirman
Adirman's profile picture
Monticello, NY

Posts: 479
Adirman on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 1:54 pm EDT
Martin;

Is Mucilin a type of dry-fly ointment? Where do you get it?

Thanks,

Adirman
Entoman
Entoman's profile picture
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Entoman on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 2:15 pm EDT
Adirman -

To those of us fishing before the 70's it was the only fly floatant in common use, other than Ray Bergman's old lighter fluid and paraffin formula that you made yourself (horrible stuff). It is an English product that used to come in little red tins before the silicone days. To stay competitive , they eventually came up with a silicone formula that came in a green can. I think the packaging doomed it's populaity more than anything else as the litttle tins leaked in warm weather and in cold weather your fingers were apt to drop the lid in the drink. I assume the green variety is still available somewhere, but I haven't seen the original red formula in years. The thought of it brings back some great memories!

Kurt
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
PaulRoberts
PaulRoberts's profile picture
Colorado

Posts: 1776
PaulRoberts on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 2:19 pm EDT
I had started to post: "I USED to use Mucilin (red can) but found that it eroded my vinyl flylines." Now, putting it on leaders only is probably not an issue. And...I could be wrong about what caused it, but I stopped using it.
Entoman
Entoman's profile picture
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Entoman on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 2:29 pm EDT
Ha! You are absolutely right Paul. The reds primary purpose was for the treatment of silk flylines. It's mineral formula didn't get along with vinyl very well. I ruined more than a few 444's in my day. My bellyaching helped me get a couple of replacements out of Leon Chandler who was Cortland's rep at the time until it was determined what caused it.
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
PaulRoberts
PaulRoberts's profile picture
Colorado

Posts: 1776
PaulRoberts on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 3:47 pm EDT
Cortland has been a really good company. And Leon was a wonderful man.
Entoman
Entoman's profile picture
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Entoman on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 4:40 pm EDT
Yes and yes...

At the time, nobody knew. We just assumed it was faulty production formulas. Most guys just washed 'em with dish soap and ran 'em through those little yellow cans of whatever-it-was that came with the lines. Only a few anal retents like myself actually greased their lines with Mucilin. If I remember, it took awhile to get the result so it wasn't readily apparent (though mixing with bug dope residue probably accelerated the process).:)
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
Martinlf
Martinlf's profile picture
Moderator
Palmyra PA

Posts: 3047
Martinlf on Jul 13, 2011July 13th, 2011, 8:05 pm EDT
I use the Mucilin green, putting a bit of it in one side of a flip top contact lens holder, which seals it up well; The other side has some tungsten putty. Float and sink. Mucilin paste is also a great fly floatant, but don't use it on CDC. I've never dressed a line with it, just the leader. I recently bought some Loon Payette, which is more temperature stable than Mucilin, and will probably switch over to that.

A guide I fished with recently uses liquid Mucilin floatant (comes in a glass jar--it is not the same as Mucilin paste) and swears by it. I'll be giving it a try too. So many products, so few vest pockets!!
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
Adirman
Adirman's profile picture
Monticello, NY

Posts: 479
Adirman on Jul 14, 2011July 14th, 2011, 2:19 am EDT
I know what you mean; I already carry a couple diff. types of fly ointment, now I'm gonna have to go and get some of this mucilin stuff and try it!!
Sayfu
Posts: 560
Sayfu on Aug 29, 2011August 29th, 2011, 9:43 am EDT
Does anyone know what the composition of GINK is??..funny story about how I found out, and I won't tell it because it is too long, but it is mineral oil, and paraffin. If you went into a Rite-Aid store (I think they are still around) It is the same stuff as women's facial, makeup remover. Has a blue jar top, and named Albolene, or Alvolene..now that I wrote both, I think it is Albolene. I melt some, and refill up my containers. Very low heat, as it melts at body temp..and you need a small funnel, or you get it all over. I'd be better off to use a bigger applicator container I guess.
Adirman
Adirman's profile picture
Monticello, NY

Posts: 479
Adirman on Aug 30, 2011August 30th, 2011, 2:30 am EDT
Sayfu;

Is it more cost effective to buy the Albolene as opposed to the gink?
Sayfu
Posts: 560
Sayfu on Aug 30, 2011August 30th, 2011, 4:33 pm EDT
Sure is. Think I paid around $8 for a jar, and you could fill up a container of Gink 30 times probably. I'm just grabbing numbers, but a whole lot of times. Umpqua buys the facial makeup remover in 5 gal. drums and melts it down into their containers. A question of how much does a guy need? Could guys go together on it?
Entoman
Entoman's profile picture
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Entoman on Aug 31, 2011August 31st, 2011, 9:44 am EDT
Hey Sayfu,

There's no silicone in it? I always assumed it was a silicone formula... If it is make-up remover, could they doctor it by adding the silicone?

Kurt
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
Sayfu
Posts: 560
Sayfu on Aug 31, 2011August 31st, 2011, 10:32 am EDT
No silicone in it...jus paraphin and mineral oil...mineral oil used because it has no smell. Some floatants are composed of silicone, but not the creams usually. But if you want to increase your takes?...add some shrimp oil. :)
Oldredbarn
Oldredbarn's profile picture
Novi, MI

Posts: 2600
Oldredbarn on Aug 31, 2011August 31st, 2011, 10:41 am EDT
But if you want to increase your takes?...add some shrimp oil. :)


Now, now, boys! We can't have this less we want them attaching "Power Bait" adds along the sides here...;)

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
Entoman
Entoman's profile picture
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Entoman on Aug 31, 2011August 31st, 2011, 4:12 pm EDT
Shrimp juice? That's an affront to my ethics and esthetic sensibilities. Harrumph! Though, I have been known to rub my flies in old salmon carcasses and such, just to moisten them of course. Hmm...

Regards,

Kurt

PS - Spence, Powerbait works really well as a strike indicator. Mold a dab of it on the tippet about a 1/4" above the nymph. The takes will be much easier to detect and timing can even be off a little.
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
Benjlan
Benjlan's profile picture
Cedar Rapids lowa

Posts: 54
Benjlan on Aug 31, 2011August 31st, 2011, 6:03 pm EDT
Hello All'

I use the green Mucilin on my braided uni thread leaders. This stuff is awesome, one application floats it all day long. When you use a nymph rig the leader acts as a really good strike indicator. Caution mucilin does not play well with any kind of heat and melts down to nothing, and covers everything in your satchel. I even use it to float my flies. Try it and you will not go back to your old floatant.

Ben

Quick Reply

Related Discussions

Topic
Replies
Last Reply
1
Mar 20, 2020
by Martinlf
4
May 3, 2010
by Oldredbarn
1
Aug 14, 2009
by Flytyer0423
18
Jun 16, 2011
by Derdmann
Troutnut.com is copyright © 2004-2024 (email Jason). privacy policy