Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica
The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.
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I caught this tiny larva without a case, but it seems to key pretty clearly to to Glossosomatidae. From there, the lack of sclerites on the mesonotum points to either Glossosoma or Anagapetus. Although it's difficult to see in a 2D image from the microscope, it's pretty clear in the live 3D view that the pronotum is only excised about 1/3 of its length to accommodate the forecoxa, not 2/3, which points to Glossosoma at Couplet 5 of the Key to Genera of Glossosomatidae Larvae.
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Outdoors198
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Outdoors198 on Nov 20, 2015November 20th, 2015, 5:24 pm EST
Has anyone tried Hareline's Wiggle Dub or an equivalent? I'm wanting to hear people's experiences/opinions. Thanks!
Wbranch on Nov 20, 2015November 20th, 2015, 5:49 pm EST
Never heard of it. Can you tell me something about it? Is it a synthetic product? Is it fur? Please educate me.
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Wbranch on Nov 21, 2015November 21st, 2015, 2:01 am EST
If you don't know what it is then you haven't used it. Google can tell you what it is.
Not the most friendly answer or the one I was looking to receive. Of course I could Google it if I wanted to do that. I figured since you are somewhat of a newbie on this forum you might share some of your knowledge with me, and others, but I guess you either don't give a rat's ass or you just like giving me a smart ass answer.
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Outdoors198
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Outdoors198 on Nov 21, 2015November 21st, 2015, 5:08 am EST
You are right I apologize. I guess I wasn't in the best mood last night. It is no excuse. I think it is a natural dubbing with micro rubber legs added in for movement. I was also looking at Senyos shaggy dub which is micro silicone legs but I think that is all synthetic. I was curious about both for the added movement they might give. Versus regular, say, hares ear with plenty of guard hairs in a dubbing loop.
Planettrout on Nov 22, 2015November 22nd, 2015, 6:29 am EST
Hareline's Wiggle Dub (similar to Swisher's GENERATION X DUBBING) is made using fine rubber. Sanyo's Shaggy Dub uses silicone.
I have tied with both.
Micro Rubber rots, mats together, globs into a mess and makes the pattern virtually unusable, if not completely dried out after use.
Silicone does not present that problem...
PT/TB
I have tied with both.
Micro Rubber rots, mats together, globs into a mess and makes the pattern virtually unusable, if not completely dried out after use.
Silicone does not present that problem...
PT/TB
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Wbranch on Nov 22, 2015November 22nd, 2015, 7:07 am EST
PT wrote;
Yes, absolutely a waste of time to tie a nice fly with rubber legs. I learned the hard way and tied half a dozen hoppers with nice yellow legs and after about a year the legs were brittle and falling off. I've tied larger nymphs with "sili-legs" and I've had them for years and the legs are as supple now as when I first tied them.
Micro Rubber rots
Yes, absolutely a waste of time to tie a nice fly with rubber legs. I learned the hard way and tied half a dozen hoppers with nice yellow legs and after about a year the legs were brittle and falling off. I've tied larger nymphs with "sili-legs" and I've had them for years and the legs are as supple now as when I first tied them.
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Outdoors198
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Outdoors198 on Nov 22, 2015November 22nd, 2015, 9:53 am EST
I am very glad to know about the rubber legs rotting so I don't waste time with it! Thankfully I bought a pack of sili legs recently! Thank you very much for the information everyone! I wonder if you could put sili legs in a coffee grinder and shred them into tinier fibers... Probably not.
Outdoors198
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Outdoors198 on Nov 22, 2015November 22nd, 2015, 10:39 am EST
Hareline's Wiggle Dub (similar to Swisher's GENERATION X DUBBING) is made using fine rubber. Sanyo's Shaggy Dub uses silicone.
I have tied with both.
Micro Rubber rots, mats together, globs into a mess and makes the pattern virtually unusable, if not completely dried out after use.
Silicone does not present that problem...
PT/TB
Do you still tie with the shaggy dub? How do/did you like it?
Planettrout on Nov 23, 2015November 23rd, 2015, 5:42 am EST
Hareline's Wiggle Dub (similar to Swisher's GENERATION X DUBBING) is made using fine rubber. Sanyo's Shaggy Dub uses silicone.
I have tied with both.
Micro Rubber rots, mats together, globs into a mess and makes the pattern virtually unusable, if not completely dried out after use.
Silicone does not present that problem...
PT/TB
Do you still tie with the shaggy dub? How do/did you like it?
I have been using it for larger Caddis patterns (#6 - #10) and adding it to the dubbing mix for Seal Bugger type patterns. The silicone fiber sections are larger than micro rubber...
PT/TB
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