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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Lateral view of a Female Sweltsa borealis (Chloroperlidae) (Boreal Sallfly) Stonefly Adult from Harris Creek in Washington
I was not fishing, but happened to be at an unrelated social event on a hill above this tiny creek (which I never even saw) when this stonefly flew by me. I assume it came from there. Some key characteristics are tricky to follow, but process of elimination ultimately led me to Sweltsa borealis. It is reassuringly similar to this specimen posted by Bob Newell years ago. It is also so strikingly similar to this nymph from the same river system that I'm comfortable identifying that nymph from this adult. I was especially pleased with the closeup photo of four mites parasitizing this one.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Partsman
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Partsman on Sep 16, 2016September 16th, 2016, 4:28 pm EDT
I have been wanting to tie up some streamers for fall fishing, I saw a new version of the little brown trout streamer. The tier used deer creek uv glue to build up the body, which really looked cool, but I'm wondering if I could use a superglue and wait longer for the body to setup? The deer creek stuff looks great, but kind of pricey for a retired guy. I can get it from my local flyfishing shop, but you have to the uv light also. I have Sam Slaymakers book also, I might just follow his pattern.

Mike.
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Afishinado on Sep 17, 2016September 17th, 2016, 3:23 am EDT
Super glue is not the same as the UV coating used for tying "epoxy" type flies since SG is a "glue" and not a clear coating.

I do tie a lot of saltwater patterns and sometimes use the UV coatings when tying just a few flies at a time.

An alternative to using the UV coating and light is use clear 30 minute epoxy instead. I use epoxy when tying and coating a dozen or more flies at time. I coat each fly with epoxy and attach it to a foam disc mounted on a drying motor that I have for rod building.
RleeP
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RleeP on Sep 17, 2016September 17th, 2016, 10:53 am EDT
Aleene's Fabric Fusion. Has its good and not so good points for this sort of application, but I've used it on a lot of Pike flies and it is more than satisfactory, IMO. It ids a reasonable alternative if you don't really want to make the $100 (or whatever..) investment in a UV set-up.

https://caseysmartt.com/2010/02/24/aleenes-fabric-fusion/
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Partsman on Sep 17, 2016September 17th, 2016, 11:55 am EDT
Thanks guys, some things good opitions to consider My local fly shop doesn't list the price of the glue with light, only buy both and save which is code for man this is expensive for what you want to do. I'm going to reread Slaymakers book tonight, I just might use his patterns and skip the modern stuff for now.

Mike.
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Martinlf on Sep 17, 2016September 17th, 2016, 6:48 pm EDT
Thanks, Lee. I want to try it for coating Iron Lotus nymphs and zebra midges. It looks very useful.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Wbranch on Sep 18, 2016September 18th, 2016, 5:28 pm EDT
Afishinado wrote;

An alternative to using the UV coating and light is use clear 30 minute epoxy instead. I use epoxy when tying and coating a dozen or more flies at time. I coat each fly with epoxy and attach it to a foam disc mounted on a drying motor that I have for rod building.


There is another alternative to UV clear coat or 30 minute epoxy. I use a product called Liquid Fusion. It is sold at Michael's craft stores. The viscosity is very thick. It comes in 2 ounce bottles. After a little practice you can become proficient in applying it to streamer heads on hooks as small as #10. I apply a little drop to each side and just rotate the fly in my fingers for a minute or two. I use it primarily on flies I tie with 3D eyes.

Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Partsman
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Partsman on Oct 1, 2016October 1st, 2016, 3:28 pm EDT
Love your streamers Wbranch, I considered my choices, and ended up going with Deer Creek Uv and there light. My wife hasn't seen my credit card bill yet, so I'm good for a while! But I have to say, using this stuff and the light is awesome! Hit the glue for a 15 to 30 seconds and all is good and dry.
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Crepuscular on Oct 5, 2016October 5th, 2016, 5:52 am EDT
BONDIC. This is going to sound like a commercial, but I assure you I get no price break or free stuff from the company. It is without a doubt the way to go.I have tried them all. Much much less expensive than Deer Creek, Loon, Tuff Fleye or Clear Cure Goo. Loon, Tuff Fleye, or CCG may be a better choice for building up bodies on larger patterns like Surf Candies, but I have certainly made them using BONDIC. For reinforcing quill bodies, adding some depth to a wingcase, or simple eye attachment and head build up on flies such as Clouser Minnows or Deceiver-style flies, BONDIC is the way to go. Very easy to control and has an integrated light. I use it all the time. great to coat quill-bodied flies. Even dry flies if used sparingly. It is a plastic so it's not too heavy. But you can certainly add bulk and a little weight if that is what you want. I should say that in the years before UV adhesives, I used 5 minute epoxy. It's ok, but bondic will not sag excessively if used in small amounts and allows you time to shape it the way you want and then hit it with the UV light and instantly it is set. For larger applications (like surf candies) Ifind it best to work in stages, building up bulk. I use it on foam flies like beetles, and ants as well as Crease flies.

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Articulated Sculpin with BONDIC head:
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Martinlf on Oct 5, 2016October 5th, 2016, 11:29 am EDT
Thanks for sharing, Eric. You always have something to teach. Nice lookin' flies as always.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Crepuscular on Oct 5, 2016October 5th, 2016, 4:47 pm EDT
Thanks Louis. Hope you are doing well.
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Jmd123 on Oct 5, 2016October 5th, 2016, 9:57 pm EDT
Helluva nice sculpin there, Eric! And Matt's streamers are always nice. It's lake-run brown season, bust out the streamers!

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
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Wbranch on Oct 10, 2016October 10th, 2016, 7:18 pm EDT
Hello Eric,

Thank you for sharing your success with the Bondic product. I tie many flies with eyes and steelhead nymphs where I like to epoxy the wing case. I ordered a kit from Ebay immediately after reading your thread. $20 for the applicator, UV light, and two cartridges of product. I'm excited to try iy on the heads of my emerald shiners.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Roguerat on Oct 11, 2016October 11th, 2016, 7:09 am EDT
Eric,

REALLY nice ties, and I especially like the articulated sculpin- does it have a Fish-skull under the glue or is the head packed/trimmed deer hair, then glued over and smoothed?

Either way this is some good stuff to hear about, and try!

Roguerat

'Less is more...'

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Crepuscular on Oct 11, 2016October 11th, 2016, 1:35 pm EDT
I ordered a kit from Ebay immediately after reading your thread. $20 for the applicator, UV light, and two cartridges of product. I'm excited to try iy on the heads of my emerald shiners.


I hope you like it Matt. I find it very easy to work with. If you don't, I'll buy what you have. I feel an amount of responsibility here ;)

Eric,

REALLY nice ties, and I especially like the articulated sculpin- does it have a Fish-skull under the glue or is the head packed/trimmed deer hair, then glued over and smoothed?

Thanks. No it is just spun and clipped wool. Then I stick on the eyes and apply the Bondic. There are red lead dumbbell eyes on top of the hook shank so the fly will ride hook point up and provides the action I am looking for.
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Wbranch on Oct 12, 2016October 12th, 2016, 11:19 pm EDT
Eric,

I hope you like it Matt. I find it very easy to work with. If you don't, I'll buy what you have. I feel an amount of responsibility here ;)


I received my Bondic kit today. It arrived in a nice metal case with two tubes of liquid plastic and the UV light mechanism.

I went up to my tying room and took down a nymph box with many large and smaller nymphs in the #8 - #14 size ranges. I really like the very small orifice from which the product exudes. You just apply a slight pressure with your thumb and index finger and a very thin line of material comes out. It is probably less than 1/16" wide.

I'd say the viscosity of the material is perfect for applying to fly heads, wing cases, or building up heads. It is not runny nor is it too thick. I was able to use the tip of the applicator to move the material around the head of a couple of salmon flies very easily.

I would recommend re-installing the cap on the product tube before activating the UV light so as not to accidentally squeeze out any of the liquid plastic on your tying table. At $20 for two tubes and the UV light this stuff isn't cheap but imo still less expensive than a UV light from Bass Pro and the liquid plastic.

You can either just squeeze the area above the UV light with your thumb and index finger or you can move a little orange switch to leave the light on constantly. I preferred to just "pulse" the UV light for 4-6 seconds and it cured quite hard. Hard enough to touch immediately. The wing cases I did look great. I use woven pearl Mylar for many of my wing cases. After an application of this material it looks like an opal. I have no idea if it will account for more fish but it really looks neat and is very easy to use. I especially like the no mess. I hate getting epoxy on my fingers because then it winds up on my pants, or shirt, and all over my tying area.

Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Wbranch on Oct 19, 2016October 19th, 2016, 3:51 am EDT
In case anyone is interested you can buy a pretty good sized tube of Loon "Knot Sense" UV material for $8.50 and the tube has at least three times the amount of product as one tube of the Bondic UV material. Admittedly the orifice in the Knot Sense tube is somewhat larger but you can just squeeze out a little drop and using your dubbing needle move the UV product around the fly head. Actually the bigger orifice would be better if you are tying larger flies where more product coverage is sought. A couple of seconds with the Bondic UV light cured the fly I had tied.

http://www.lurepartsonline.com/knotsense.jpg?resizeid=-1&resizeh=70&resizew=200
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Jman6ft
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Jman6ft on Nov 26, 2016November 26th, 2016, 11:18 am EST
UV lights can be spendy, a buddy of mine bought the loon outdoors one for sixty dollars!

I bought this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Vansky-Flashlight-Detector-Batteries-Included/dp/B01A5KLUG2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1480206053&sr=8-13&keywords=vansky

It works on the loon products and the bondic product as well. Nice side effect is with that uv light I take it to the fly shops and can see what materials are uv reflective. It makes a difference trust me on this.

This summer my Dad and I were in a rental boat and were using same sinking line and tippet material and we were using the same flies. I tied all of our flies, one with UV materials and one without. The UV flies caught fish, the non UV didn't.

https://www.amazon.com/Loon-Outdoors-CLEAR-FINISH-Flow/dp/B00NI49W40/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480209146&sr=8-1&keywords=loon%2Boutdoors%2Buv%2Bfly%2Bfinish&th=1&psc=1

This is the one I use the most and it makes a bunch of flies. I have tried a few different of brands. Bondic is good for larger flies and it is more Gel-like. Clear cure goo is good for medium sized flies 10-14 and loon is great for small it is very liquid like and you can build it up. All of them can be built up for a greater size if you want.
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Wbranch on Nov 29, 2016November 29th, 2016, 3:24 am EST
Jman6ft,

Thanks for all the helpful info on the UV products.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.

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