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Tiny Baetis mayflies are perhaps the most commonly encountered and imitated by anglers on all American trout streams due to their great abundance, widespread distribution, and trout-friendly emergence habits.
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Some characteristics from the microscope images for the tentative species id: The postero-lateral projections are found only on segment 9, not segment 8. Based on the key in Jacobus et al. (2014), it appears to key to Neoleptophlebia adoptiva or Neoleptophlebia heteronea, same as this specimen with pretty different abdominal markings. However, distinguishing between those calls for comparing the lengths of the second and third segment of the labial palp, and this one (like the other one) only seems to have two segments. So I'm stuck on them both. It's likely that the fact that they're immature nymphs stymies identification in some important way.
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PaulRoberts on May 4, 2011May 4th, 2011, 7:21 am EDT
Fish don't have hands, they sample potential food with their mouths, or cheek or jaw -at least that's what it looks like. I even got to see this with trout I kept in a stream tank. If you've ever watched drift feeding trout you'll see them "sample" objects (grass, pine needles, trout flies...) both visually, bumping with jaw or cheek, and taking into the mouth. The result for non-food items is usually rejection, but not always. I've found some interesting things in trout stomachs: buds, seeds, even a germinated acorn, as well as interesting food items like a frog pulled from a large brown, and a small toad from a 12" holdover brown.
"Selective" feeding is an energetics game and a time when they are NOT sampling, being satisfied with the results and chowing down.
"Selective" feeding is an energetics game and a time when they are NOT sampling, being satisfied with the results and chowing down.
Troutnut on May 4, 2011May 4th, 2011, 9:50 am EDT
Fish don't have hands, they sample potential food with their mouths, or cheek or jaw -at least that's what it looks like. I even got to see this with trout I kept in an stream tank. If you've ever watched drift feeding trout you'll see them "sample" objects (grass, pine needles, trout flies...) both visually, bumping with jaw or cheek, and taking into the mouth. The result for non-food items is usually rejection, but not always.
One chapter of my dissertation is about this sampling issue in juvenile Chinook salmon. Sampling really hasn't been documented well in the scientific literature, and models of trout feeding energetics don't take into account the opportunity cost of sampling non-prey items and potentially missing real prey. It might be a small cost for large fish that see relatively little debris of the same size as their food, but it's pretty significant for the little fingerlings that feed on 1-2mm prey all the time. That's because there's so much more debris/detritus in the drift that matches the size of their prey. I'm giving a talk on this at the American Fisheries Society meeting in Seattle this fall, and hopefully publishing a paper on it soon thereafter.
"Selective" feeding is an energetics game and a time when they are NOT sampling, being satisfied with the results and chowing down.
I'd like to do some professional work on this in the future, hopefully really soon as a post-doc. I've done some preliminary modeling on it already and it's a really interesting issue.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
PaulRoberts on May 4, 2011May 4th, 2011, 10:03 am EDT
Fish don't have hands, they sample potential food with their mouths, or cheek or jaw -at least that's what it looks like. I even got to see this with trout I kept in an stream tank. If you've ever watched drift feeding trout you'll see them "sample" objects (grass, pine needles, trout flies...) both visually, bumping with jaw or cheek, and taking into the mouth. The result for non-food items is usually rejection, but not always.
One chapter of my dissertation is about this sampling issue in juvenile Chinook salmon. Sampling really hasn't been documented well in the scientific literature, and models of trout feeding energetics don't take into account the opportunity cost of sampling non-prey items and potentially missing real prey. It might be a small cost for large fish that see relatively little debris of the same size as their food, but it's pretty significant for the little fingerlings that feed on 1-2mm prey all the time. That's because there's so much more debris/detritus in the drift that matches the size of their prey. I'm giving a talk on this at the American Fisheries Society meeting in Seattle this fall, and hopefully publishing a paper on it soon thereafter.
"Selective" feeding is an energetics game and a time when they are NOT sampling, being satisfied with the results and chowing down.
I'd like to do some professional work on this in the future, hopefully really soon as a post-doc. I've done some preliminary modeling on it already and it's a really interesting issue.
Very cool Jason.
Neil Ringler is/was the man. I've emailed him a few times -nice guy. He's at Syracuse University.
Troutnut on May 4, 2011May 4th, 2011, 11:01 am EDT
Interesting. I'm familiar with some of his older work, but not on that. I'll have to look it up. Any specific papers you recommend?
By the way, sorry about the formatting problems on your last post with all the backslashes before apostrophes and quotes. That was a bug and I just fixed it (for all future posts, not just yours).
By the way, sorry about the formatting problems on your last post with all the backslashes before apostrophes and quotes. That was a bug and I just fixed it (for all future posts, not just yours).
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
PaulRoberts on May 4, 2011May 4th, 2011, 12:12 pm EDT
Not off the top of my head. He worked with trout in artificial stream channels looking specifically at selectivity, once upon a time. Here's his contact info:
http://www.esf.edu/EFB/faculty/ringler.asp
http://www.esf.edu/EFB/faculty/ringler.asp
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