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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Dorsal view of a Neoleptophlebia (Leptophlebiidae) Mayfly Nymph from the Yakima River in Washington
Some characteristics from the microscope images for the tentative species id: The postero-lateral projections are found only on segment 9, not segment 8. Based on the key in Jacobus et al. (2014), it appears to key to Neoleptophlebia adoptiva or Neoleptophlebia heteronea, same as this specimen with pretty different abdominal markings. However, distinguishing between those calls for comparing the lengths of the second and third segment of the labial palp, and this one (like the other one) only seems to have two segments. So I'm stuck on them both. It's likely that the fact that they're immature nymphs stymies identification in some important way.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Martinlf
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Martinlf on Dec 9, 2010December 9th, 2010, 5:45 pm EST
OK, I couldn't resist. And I'm going to cheat a bit, but I'm interested in hearing what others have to say on this topic:

I have an almost embarrassing fondness for my teardrop hackle pliers. They came into my life when I was just beginning to tie, taking classes with Bob Clouser at the Elizabethtown High School in the evenings. That was about twenty years ago. A few years back I tied a bit of flourescent pink ultra chenille in the loop to keep them from hiding on my cluttered tying table, and they play a little less hard to get most of the time now. Yes, they will break a hackle faster than some versions, but with the right touch they at least don't slip--something I hate when wrapping that final turn on a bug that has already taken too long to tie. I really don't know what I'd do without them, but I get a hint of it whenever I try to tie at John Dunn's tying station at camp, or at my brother-in-law Walt's, over a holiday visit. It can be done, but even simple flies sometimes feel hard to tie without my favorite squeeze.

"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
SlateDrake9
Potter County, PA

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SlateDrake9 on Dec 9, 2010December 9th, 2010, 11:42 pm EST
For years I've used a heavy duty pair with a "cushioned" grip from Herters (I believe w/o double checking). They have a grooved jaw that could grip onto a person and pull them up a cliff. I still use them sometimes, but about 2-3 years ago I found a little pair in a flyshop that has a blue plastic circle to put a finger in that's attached to a swivel and spring that connects to a pair of pliers like seen on the newer rotary hackle pliers. (I'm sure you can picture that, right?) I'll do a web search for a link after work tonight. They don't hold as tight as my beloved Herters, but I've not found a one that saves little hackle stems better. They also prevent hackle twisting too.
Fishing with bait is like swearing in church.
-- Slate Drake
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Shawnny3 on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 12:47 am EST
I've never found a pair of hackle pliers I like, but I haven't tried very hard, either. I usually don't use them at all, because it allows me to be in more direct contact with the material and fly. I find it much easier to put variable amounts of tension on a material if it is held directly in my hand rather than in a tool. Lately, I've even started holding the thread rather than the bobbin holder while making wraps, allowing the holder to dangle loosely in my palm, because it puts me in direct control of the thread. Sometimes tools get in the way.

That said, I can certainly understand Louis's affinity for a particular tool. It's a special thing when a tool feels like an extension of you. My favorite tools are ones I've made or modified, perhaps more because I've made or modified them than because they're really good tools.

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PaulRoberts on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 3:03 am EST
Gosh, I have a bunch. But they are ALL cheapies. I mean old school -nothing fancy. My favorite are the simple oval looped spring with rubber lips. They hold and don't break hackles. But I don't know what else is out there, or what I'm missing.
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Oldredbarn on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 3:43 am EST
Paul,

I think the ones you are talking about are the Tiemco pliers...They are black with little yellow plastic tips...(?) I am rather fond of those as well and have a favorite pair that has just about had it...

Spence

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PaulRoberts on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 3:52 am EST
No, mine have no name on them. I have two, one came in my very first kit. They are an oval metal spring, shaped like a shower curtain ring, and the lips are black rubber.

Here's a pic of something very close. Mine have rubber pads on both jaws.
http://www.cabelas.com/tools-vises-skid-hackle-pliers-2.shtml?type=product&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT.z_mc_id1=744170&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=69879052-F5D2-DF11-82EF-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA
RleeP
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RleeP on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 5:34 am EST
My favorite hackle pliers are the first pair I can find on my tying desk. I have about 9 pairs. By type, they're all whatever they happened to be shipping from Pakistan at the point in time when I couldn't find any of the 8 other pairs and had to go out and buy one.

Depending on my mood, I can have a short fuse/low frustration threshold, so one thing I usually do with steel jawed hackle pliers is put a dot (about the size of a single #8 birdshot) of Overton's Wonder Wax on the jaws. This (for me anyway) cuts way down on slippage.

On Edit: The one kind of hackle pliers I could never abide were those damnable spring loaded things with the little hook on them. They actually make better Christmas tree ornaments than hackle pliers, IMO..
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JAD on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 5:57 am EST
Hi guys
At my age it"s hard to find new fishing buddies. Now back to the subject I give him a bed room a tying desk,next to the bed and he %$&@* about pliers.

I did"nt know that was his problem Louis told me his back hurt.

Louis I love ya
John

They fasten red (crimson red) wool around a hook, and fix onto the wool two feathers which grow under a cock’s wattles, and which in colour are like wax.
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PaulRoberts on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 6:02 am EST
LOL! So...which ones do you like best? And does it matter? I have some of those. But I only ever use one!
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JAD on Dec 10, 2010December 10th, 2010, 6:29 am EST
Paul same as my fishing buddies---I'm not real fussy :)

John

They fasten red (crimson red) wool around a hook, and fix onto the wool two feathers which grow under a cock’s wattles, and which in colour are like wax.
Radcliffe's Fishing from the Earliest Times,
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Martinlf on Dec 11, 2010December 11th, 2010, 7:39 am EST
Geeze John, I didn't know you were so touchy about hackle pliers. But now I see you were holding out on me. Or are those teardrops in the photo the pliers you keep in your home tying room but don't bring for your poor old fishing buddies to use at camp? Must be afraid I'll lose them . . . but you did finally find that knife, remember?
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
Bippie
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Bippie on Dec 20, 2010December 20th, 2010, 1:10 am EST
Over my 40 years of tying I've tried all kinds of hackle pliers.... the last 10 to 15 years it has mostly been the Dorin teardrop that I use.

By the way.... 20+ years ago I was there when Bob Clouser was teaching tying classes at the E-Town High school. Our TU Chapter supplied some instructor's assistants and I was one of the assistants. I have a big shadow box (2' x 3 1/2') with about 130 different flies mounted in it and I often took it to tying classes to show the students.
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Wbranch on Dec 20, 2010December 20th, 2010, 3:12 pm EST
In my experience wrapping hackle, or any material, that I am going to palmer or wrap around the hook shank the ones in JAD's picture with the yellow tubing on the wire is by far the best for holding hackles, or other material, and not breaking it. I've used virtually every other type of hackle plier and have tied thousands of dry flies and PT nymph bodies and have yet to break a hackle or fiber using those hackle plies. Bob Marriott sells them for less than five bucks I think.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.

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