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Did it mention if that would translate to 6-12 times more fish caught?

:):)LOL

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Tim...What you doing up this late? Been out shoveling snow?!

Spence

couldn't find the shovel.... handle's not bright enough.....

Okay guys, I will try to distill this whole thread down into some simplistic generalization, but I think you may agree with me:

Fisherman, fly or otherwise, will use ANYTHING they perceive will give them some kind of advantage, whether or not the fish actually react to it. At least intermittent success (and some time ago Spence made a hilarious comparison between me and a pigeon, I think it was, in a "Skinner Box") will guarantee that said fisherman, using said latest technology, thinks he or she now has "the edge" and they will swear by it and continue to use it at every available opportunity.

Psychology of Fisherpeople 101

;oD

Jonathon

Spence,

Geo. Leonard Herter was a hoot! P.T. Barnum had nothing on George. I would read the Herter catalogue from cover to cover as a kid, completely absorbed in "The World's Best...whatever". One item that fascinated me was the bog shoes. A Bog Shoe was like a small pram or Jonboat fastened to each foot. Theoretically, these allowed you to go over soft ground, mud, and onto a pond, then just stand there and cast... or walk across the pond to better fishing.

I have a 1941 Herter's catalogue somewhere. On page three George apologizes for the war interfering with safe shipment of exotic furs and feathers from Burma. IIRC, there were at least fifteen different species of monkey that gave of their pelts to US fly-tiers for $1 or less. A different time.
Regards,
Reed

I learned some of my first patterns from a 50's issue of Herter's tackle manufacturing manual... the days when they were still selling condor quill..

These two rivers are where I have used a specific pattern to test out the effectiveness of a UV2 product,incorporated into that pattern:

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The Lower Owens River...

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The East Walker River...

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The pattern - CREAM MIRACLE MIDGE...

HOOK: Daiichi 1130 or TMC 2487, #18 - #22
THREAD: Body - Tiemco 16/0, White - Head - Tiemco 16/0, Black
RIB: Lagartun x-fine Copper wire

*coated with Hard-As-Hull for durability

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The UV2 product...

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Same pattern with a UV2 Peacock eye/herl thorax twisted on White 16/0 Tiemco thread...

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My son Michael with an EWR Brown taken on that UV2 pattern...which, on most occasions, out fished the standard Miracle Midge...maybe it was just the addition of Peacock Herl...for $5.95 one may determine that for themself...

http://www.performanceflies.com/category-s/361.htm


PT/TB

As I'd said in a previous thread on the subject of UV, I'm just not up on the latest. And I don't plan on catching up as I've got other things on my plate. The information Reed presents is at very least intriguing. How important it is, and how to make use of it remains to be seen.

I feel pretty confident in saying that the elements that underlie fish catching often have more to do with water conditions, fish behavior, and presentation controls than what's tied on the end of the line. However, once water fish and presentation basics (that are not easily realized) are understood and in control, what's tied on the end of the line looms large.

Hey, I too had some old Herter's catalogs and owned a set of the Herter brothers "Guides Manual". One of my favorites was Jacques advice for dealing with a lion or bear attack: To spit in the attackers mouth and the animal will "quit the attack instantly".

Yeah! That will work. ;)

Spence

Nice pics Planettrout!

It has also been said that large predators are sometimes repelled by the scent of human urine or feces, and that potential victims have been saved by an involuntary voiding of the bladder or colon upon attack, but validation of such cases is as much in question as the aforementioned example, however more likely the later event might be than the former.

I hope nobody reading this thread is unneccessarily confused. Planettrout and Reed are discussing two entirely different topics. Planettrout is talking about a line of fluorescent materials called UV 2 and their fish attracting capabilities (which has nothing to do with UV vision). As with all fluorescent materials, the glow is emitted in the visible spectrum. Reed's points are on reflected UV and the trout's potential vision capabilities in that non-visible spectrum (at least to us).

Yes, and some misguided folks have even hijacked the thread to talk about entirely unrelated topics as well. But good point, Kurt.

:)

The Delaware River Club dubbing that John used on his Hennie Comparadun in the "They're going to be here soon" thread has some fluorescent fibers in it. I'm bumping it up for him to take a gander.

UV materials...not sure where to buy flies with UV material... don't recall any of the stores (Orvis, fly shops etc) setting aside flies . I would like to try one, but don't know where to find them ... any thoughts? If the trout are saying yes, so will I. :)

Spammin?? Wonder how long this thread's legs will get. Odd that the troutbums link takes me to this thread.

PaulRoberts,
I am not a spammer! I clicked on to my link, and you are right, it does come back to this page. I so have a site www.TroutBumOutfitters.com and it is pretty cool with lots of information and much more. The URL has been corrected now. Try the link again. I would be interested what you think of the site. email me at www.tttholcomb@yahoo.com

Ted,

no offense but when I clicked on your TB/Outfitters address my Malware alerts went crazy,so that's as far as I'm going.

I've gotten Spirit River UV dubbing from Feather-Craft, Hook n' Hackle, and other mail-order shops...the stuff seems to work, at least it's worth adding to my materials inventory.

Grand-paternal pride here- my grandsons are going crazy at the vise, tying egg patterns in every shade possible- amazing what 8 and 10 yr old's can think of!

Roguerat

I Peter 5:7 'Cast your cares upon Him...'