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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Lateral view of a Clostoeca disjuncta (Limnephilidae) (Northern Caddisfly) Caddisfly Larva from the Yakima River in Washington
This one was surprisingly straightforward to identify. The lack of a sclerite at the base of the lateral hump narrows the field quite a bit, and the other options followed fairly obvious characteristics to Clostoeca, which only has one species, Clostoeca disjuncta.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Taju has attached this picture to aid in identification. The message is below.
Hartola, Finland

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Taju on Nov 15, 2008November 15th, 2008, 8:05 pm EST
Hi again,

in the web I found the pictures of male genitalia of P. ocellifera and semifasciata, and I think that I also have some males of ocellifera. But what is this one?
Grants Pass, OR

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Creno on Nov 16, 2008November 16th, 2008, 5:03 am EST
If this is a North American phryganid I could propose either P. ocellifera or P. postica but that would mean that most of the parts are highly retracted. It doesn't seem likely that these two appendages (presumably the lateral arms of the 10th?)would be so obvious without some of the other appendages being visible as well. It just doesn't look right.

try a caudal and/or dorsal view if possible.
Hartola, Finland

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Taju on Nov 16, 2008November 16th, 2008, 7:21 am EST
Compared to P. ocellifera dorsal appendages are missing, they are very visible in my 3 ocellifera specimens. But I have 3 more similarly constructed male genitalia (in those specimens the forewing is darker than in ocellifera). I'll try to make more photoes.
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Palmyra PA

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Martinlf on Nov 16, 2008November 16th, 2008, 8:12 am EST
Whoa, and I thought Taxon could post up some racy pics. You caddis guys all must have dirty minds.

OK, just kidding! And mostly to pick on Roger some, who missed the latest round of razzing on this site. Auction me off, indeed!

In all seriousness, I am in awe of anyone who can identify caddis. Until I'm retired and have lots of time, I won't even pretend to begin to try.
"He spread them a yard and a half. 'And every one that got away is this big.'"

--Fred Chappell
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Plano, TX

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Taxon on Nov 16, 2008November 16th, 2008, 8:54 am EST
Hi Louis-

Upon seeing this thread, and before anyone had responded to it, the first thing that crossed my mind was, oh oh, this will certainly exceed Louis's threshold for specificity.

Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
Grants Pass, OR

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Creno on Nov 16, 2008November 16th, 2008, 9:00 am EST
Careful what you say about us taxonomists. After all, once the fisherfolks started looking at fish food I think they stepped up from fish-squeezing to bottom-grabbing. And that photo is not even of the real parts :)

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