Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica
The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.
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This specimen keys pretty easily to Onocosmoecus, and it closely resembles a specimen from Alaska which caddis expert Dave Ruiter recognized as this genus. As with that specimen, the only species in the genus documented in this area is Onocosmoecus unicolor, but Dave suggested for that specimen that there might be multiple not-yet-distinguished species under the unicolor umbrella and it would be best to stick with the genus-level ID. I'm doing the same for this one.
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Feathers5 on Aug 28, 2014August 28th, 2014, 4:55 am EDT
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Question: If the nymphs go down in size to 22, 24 or 26, why does everyone recommend tyng size 18 or 20 nymphs?
Bruce
Question: If the nymphs go down in size to 22, 24 or 26, why does everyone recommend tyng size 18 or 20 nymphs?
Bruce
Falsifly on Aug 29, 2014August 29th, 2014, 11:46 am EDT
Question: If the nymphs go down in size to 22, 24 or 26, why does everyone recommend tyng size 18 or 20 nymphs?
Bruce, first of all who is everyone? Second, very few if anything in this so-called "sport" is set in stone no?
Falsifly
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Entoman on Aug 30, 2014August 30th, 2014, 2:58 pm EDT
Bruce,
Generally, it's a good idea to match the size of the naturals. The problem with nymphs below size 20 is that hooking becomes problematic. Proper setting of tiny hooks requires exquisite timing and touch - very hard to do fishing an unseen nymph... Unless I'm sight fishing (can see the take), I tend to stay away from the real tiny stuff. If I can... ;)
Generally, it's a good idea to match the size of the naturals. The problem with nymphs below size 20 is that hooking becomes problematic. Proper setting of tiny hooks requires exquisite timing and touch - very hard to do fishing an unseen nymph... Unless I'm sight fishing (can see the take), I tend to stay away from the real tiny stuff. If I can... ;)
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Martinlf on Aug 30, 2014August 30th, 2014, 5:38 pm EDT
TIEMCO 2488.
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PaulRoberts on Aug 31, 2014August 31st, 2014, 5:52 pm EDT
Ah! Bruce is asking the same question I just did in his other thread.
Oldredbarn on Aug 31, 2014August 31st, 2014, 8:25 pm EDT
Question: If the nymphs go down in size to 22, 24 or 26, why does everyone recommend tyng size 18 or 20 nymphs?
Bruce
Bruce,
Aren't you reading my answers to you in your other threads on this topic?!
The answer, one more time...There are more than one species of nymphs out there at the same time. They are different bugs. It isn't the same species at all these different sizes.
The traditional "Fall Baetis" is an 16/18 in our waters...From a Baetis standpoint it is the largest Baetis we have...But, there also can be other "olives" out there.
Tie your favorite pattern of PT Nymphs in all sizes and just pay attention.
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PaulRoberts on Aug 31, 2014August 31st, 2014, 8:42 pm EDT
Bruce,
Generally, it's a good idea to match the size of the naturals. The problem with nymphs below size 20 is that hooking becomes problematic. Proper setting of tiny hooks requires exquisite timing and touch - very hard to do fishing an unseen nymph... Unless I'm sight fishing (can see the take), I tend to stay away from the real tiny stuff. If I can... ;)
If I understnad the OP (other thread -why there are three of them I'm not sure.) the question was does anyone fish deep with #24/26 nymphs? I know I don't. I'll go with Kurt's answer and be done with it.
Planettrout on Aug 31, 2014August 31st, 2014, 8:44 pm EDT
..or:
"Baetis and related nymphs range from size 14 down to 24. The most common are 16 to 20"
Western Mayfly Hatches-From the Rockies to the Pacific - Rick Hafele, Dave Hughes Pg. 43, 3rd. paragraph...
Like it was suggested by Martinlf above: TMC 2488 hooks and I would add to that Tiemco 16/0 Thread and Semperfli 18/0 Nano Silk soon become one's best new friends...for tying small Baetis nymphs...like these:
http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/print.cfm?parentID=70
PT/TB :o)
"Baetis and related nymphs range from size 14 down to 24. The most common are 16 to 20"
Western Mayfly Hatches-From the Rockies to the Pacific - Rick Hafele, Dave Hughes Pg. 43, 3rd. paragraph...
Like it was suggested by Martinlf above: TMC 2488 hooks and I would add to that Tiemco 16/0 Thread and Semperfli 18/0 Nano Silk soon become one's best new friends...for tying small Baetis nymphs...like these:
http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/flybox/print.cfm?parentID=70
PT/TB :o)
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PaulRoberts on Aug 31, 2014August 31st, 2014, 8:47 pm EDT
Ah...I re-read the OP. I was thinking Bruce was talking about the really tiny late summer into fall guys -the season you all are in now. Guess I read in to what Bruce was asking.
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Feathers5 on Sep 3, 2014September 3rd, 2014, 5:26 am EDT
I am talking about the tiny late summer flies.
PaulRoberts on Sep 3, 2014September 3rd, 2014, 4:59 pm EDT
I thought so. See my very first post in one of these threads. I blab on about "micro-nymphing" in a more general sort of way, since I don't specifically target #24/26 Baetids. I know I have a few #22 shot shank "Baetid" nymphs in a box that might as well be, and I'd use interchangeably with, some midge pupae I've seen.
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