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Lateral view of a Female Hexagenia limbata (Ephemeridae) (Hex) Mayfly Dun from the Namekagon River in Wisconsin
Hex Mayflies
Hexagenia limbata

The famous nocturnal Hex hatch of the Midwest (and a few other lucky locations) stirs to the surface mythically large brown trout that only touch streamers for the rest of the year.

Dorsal view of a Amphizoa (Amphizoidae) Beetle Larva from Sears Creek in Washington
This is the first of it's family I've seen, collected from a tiny, fishless stream in the Cascades. The three species of this genus all live in the Northwest and are predators that primarily eat stonefly nymphs Merritt R.W., Cummins, K.W., and Berg, M.B. (2019).
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Aaron7_8
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Aaron7_8 on Mar 2, 2010March 2nd, 2010, 2:09 pm EST
I recently started tying and have even managed to be successfull on my ties on the first trip out. However, I noticed that on my flies the ribbing is sliding down and ending up on the end of the abdomen of fly. Is it just a sloppy tie or a common problem. It seemed to happen with wire under-bodies and tapered thread bodies. Any suggestions or ideas would be helpful.
Wbranch
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Wbranch on Mar 2, 2010March 2nd, 2010, 3:05 pm EST
Hello Aaron,

Haven't seen you here in a long time - nice to see you are still around. You wrote:

"However, I noticed that on my flies the ribbing is sliding down and ending up on the end of the abdomen of fly."

It sounds as if maybe you aren't winding the tinsel on with enough tension. Tinsel is pretty strong and won't break very easily. Therefore when you tie it in at the bend of the hook, and start to wind it forward, apply adequate tension so the tinsel is going on nice and tight and that should solve the problem if it doesn't come back and post again.

Wednesday 8:00 a.m.

I thought about your problem again with this comment in mind;

"It seemed to happen with wire under-bodies".

Sometimes if you apply a wire, or lead, underbody to the hook shank and then don't create a smooth, and tapered transition, from the wire or lead to the hook shank, with the thread, the slippery tinsel is going to have a tendency to slide off of the larger diameter and wind up on the smaller shank diameter.


Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Aaron7_8
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Aaron7_8 on Mar 3, 2010March 3rd, 2010, 1:21 pm EST
Thanks Matt I have been lingering in the shadows with not to much to report or ask. It has been a long cold winter with several other "life" variables launch my direction. Again thanks for the suggestions they always seem to help. Tight Lines!
Shawnny3
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Shawnny3 on Mar 3, 2010March 3rd, 2010, 2:24 pm EST
Depending on the type of tinsel you use, making a perfectly smooth underbody can cause tinsel to slide off more easily. When using mylar tinsel, sometimes I'll space the thread out on my final pass over the underbody (sometimes doing so from head to tail and back again) to create a bit of texture for the mylar to bite into. This also causes the tinsel to reflect light in more directions, which can be a nice effect.

Then there's one more (hopefully) obvious point: Make sure your tinsel wraps and thread wraps are in the same direction. And, of course, as Matt said, keep 'em tight! Loose wraps have no place in flytying.

-Shawn
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Gutcutter
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Pennsylvania

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Gutcutter on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 4:11 am EST
"loose wraps have no place in flytying"

but - most of us are loosely wrapped!
gut
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Oldredbarn on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 4:18 am EST
Or seriously warped!

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
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Falsifly on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 6:04 am EST
Or wound too tight!
Falsifly
When asked what I just caught that monster on I showed him. He put on his magnifiers and said, "I can't believe they can see that."
Wbranch
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York & Starlight PA

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Wbranch on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 7:07 am EST
Now don't go and get to confusing Aaron!
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Aaron7_8
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Aaron7_8 on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 12:43 pm EST
I have noticed all of the above from everyone from time to time. I have been using oval tinsel and not flat everytime I tried the flat it would break. So I guess I just need to put some more tension than I thought.
Wbranch
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Wbranch on Mar 4, 2010March 4th, 2010, 6:30 pm EST
"I have been using oval tinsel and not flat everytime I tried the flat it would break. So I guess I just need to put some more tension than I thought."

Didn't you want to say "I guess I need to put less tension than I thought" if you are breaking the flat tinsel? You must be pulling it very hard as most Mylar tinsels will stretch before they break. Real metallic flat tinsels will snap if they are wound too tightly.

What are you tying that you need to use oval tinsel? Oval tinsel has a cotton thread core and isn't the easiest material to use even for guys who tie frequently.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Oldredbarn
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Oldredbarn on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 2:56 am EST
Matt said..."Now don't go and get to confusing Aaron!"

Spence replied...Yes dad! We'll behave...

The sun is out here in Michigan! Actual blue skies and I spotted a Coon nosing around the bare patches in the back yard yesterday...Could spring be too far behind?!

Time to make sure your tackle is in good shape and you just didn't toss it off in a corner somewhere at the end of last season! Check them waders for holes...Buy some new batteries for your night fishing lamps...Well you might not need those just yet, but hey!

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
Shawnny3
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Shawnny3 on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 4:23 am EST
Yeah, you shouldn't be snapping off the tinsel. The only other thing I can think to suggest is to be mindful of the angle at which the tinsel is tied in. If it has to be turned sharply at the tie-in point when you begin wrapping it, it's more likely to break (or make an unsightly lump). So tie it in as closely as possible to the angle at which you plan to wrap it.

Or, maybe you just need to buy better tinsel.

-Shawn
Jewelry-Quality Artistic Salmon Flies, by Shawn Davis
www.davisflydesigns.com
Wbranch
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Wbranch on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 9:42 am EST
"Spence replied...Yes dad! We'll behave..."

Now look just because I'm 70 years old don't be calling me Dad! Funny thing happened at Gander Moutain on Wednesday - I was trying to sell a guy a Plueger spin rod and reel combo and I said something that he took as me suggesting he didn't know what he was talking about and he says to me "Hey Pops do you think I'm that stupid!" I felt like saying "Well, ah yes you dumb MF'r!"
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
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Oldredbarn on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 10:49 am EST
Matt,

This last post of yours had me laughing out loud...If that guy doesn't know enough to listen to you, you have our permission to slap the little shit around a bit...Maybe then he'll respect his elders!

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
Wbranch
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Wbranch on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 11:17 am EST
Thanks, I'll remember that when I'm nursing my black eye and broken nose. BTW I was kidding about being 70, I'm only 66.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Aaron7_8
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Aaron7_8 on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 3:21 pm EST
I guess it was inexperience. It seemed to me that it was tougher the flat tinsel didn't look like it would take a solid tug without breaking. I am still working on the basics it seems that there is so much to learn it is difficult to find a good starting point.
Wbranch
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Wbranch on Mar 5, 2010March 5th, 2010, 10:17 pm EST
Aaron,

I'm hoping we can meet this July on the Missouri - should be easy with you living in Helena. I'm arriving on the 19th.
Catskill fly fisher for fifty-five years.
Aaron7_8
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Helena Montana

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Aaron7_8 on Mar 6, 2010March 6th, 2010, 5:17 am EST
I hope everything works out this year. Last year just didn't work out when you where down. Will talk more about it as it gets closer.
Mfb1978
Red Lion, PA

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Mfb1978 on Mar 21, 2010March 21st, 2010, 2:12 am EDT
Aaron,
I am fairly new to fly tying as well and I have found that there are some great books out there for fly tying techniques. I have really improved my tying using these books. One in particular is the fly tier's benchside reference. It has photos and details of just about every tying techniques out there. It's a little pricey, but in my opinion, well worth it.
Mike
Patcrisci
Lagrangeville, NY

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Patcrisci on Mar 22, 2010March 22nd, 2010, 10:51 am EDT
I also like Eric Leiser's The Complete Book of Fly Tying. It is a great book for beginners and continues to be a great reference book.
Pat Crisci

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