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Artistic view of a Male Pteronarcys californica (Pteronarcyidae) (Giant Salmonfly) Stonefly Adult from the Gallatin River in Montana
Salmonflies
Pteronarcys californica

The giant Salmonflies of the Western mountains are legendary for their proclivity to elicit consistent dry-fly action and ferocious strikes.

Dorsal view of a Setvena wahkeena (Perlodidae) (Wahkeena Springfly) Stonefly Nymph from Mystery Creek #199 in Washington
As far as I can tell, this species has only previously been reported from one site in Oregon along the Columbia gorge. However, the key characteristics are fairly unmistakable in all except for one minor detail:
— 4 small yellow spots on frons visible in photos
— Narrow occipital spinule row curves forward (but doesn’t quite meet on stem of ecdysial suture, as it's supposed to in this species)
— Short spinules on anterior margin of front legs
— Short rposterior row of blunt spinules on abdominal tergae, rather than elongated spinules dorsally
I caught several of these mature nymphs in the fishless, tiny headwaters of a creek high in the Wenatchee Mountains.
27" brown trout, my largest ever. It was the sub-dominant fish in its pool. After this, I hooked the bigger one, but I couldn't land it.
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Flyman85 on May 10, 2011May 10th, 2011, 3:12 pm EDT
alrite guys, is this an american forum only or not? just new to this AMAZING sport since nov 2010 and love it! just bought a greys grxi+ rod any1 know much about these? thanks in advance. tight lines and screamin reels
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Troutnut on May 10, 2011May 10th, 2011, 3:53 pm EDT
Welcome! This isn't just an American forum, although that's where the majority of us are from. We happily accept members from other countries, other planets (especially other planets), etc.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
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Flyman85 on May 11, 2011May 11th, 2011, 6:30 am EDT
im from another country and a different planet- planet trout. haha
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Taxon on May 11, 2011May 11th, 2011, 8:01 am EDT
Flyman85-

im from another country and a different planet- planet trout. haha


Funny. Actually, many of us here are from that planet. So, what country are you from? Do you fish rivers or lakes? What kind of trout have you caught? Do you fish dry flies or sub-surface flies?

Best regards,
Best regards,
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Flyman85 on May 12, 2011May 12th, 2011, 3:10 pm EDT
hey there, thanks for the reply, im from northeast england, i started with my mate on stillwaters for rainbows and whenever work is shy i fish my local river for grayling and brown trout.had a nice rainbow the other week- 8lb on a black blakestone buzzer size 14,was well chuffed!haha, from leighton resorvoir, 105 acres it is.my river the tees is ok and even gets a salmon run. iv fished for carp since being a boy but now iv got the fly BUG, iv emptied the library and bought a good few books too. you only get out what you put into anything! best fish to date from the river was a beautiful brownie approx 18-20 inch, but the mate i started with was telling me 5-8 inch was the norm in this river for fly, its good for chub and barbel. wot about you? same questions,look forward to hearing from you
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Flyman85 on May 12, 2011May 12th, 2011, 3:54 pm EDT
thats a cracking arctic grayling troutnut-nice1
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Flyman85 on May 12, 2011May 12th, 2011, 3:58 pm EDT
taxon- forgot to mention,i fish both, caught the brownie on the gud old adams dryfly but also use ptn and hares ear nymphs etc. also enjoy fishing buzzers with a dry as an indicator such as a cdc hopper on stillwater or adams on river, what type of rods do you use?
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Taxon on May 12, 2011May 12th, 2011, 8:18 pm EDT
Hi Flyman85-

hey there, thanks for the reply, im from northeast england, i started with my mate on stillwaters for rainbows and whenever work is shy i fish my local river for grayling and brown trout.had a nice rainbow the other week- 8lb on a black blakestone buzzer size 14,was well chuffed!haha, from leighton resorvoir, 105 acres it is.my river the tees is ok and even gets a salmon run. iv fished for carp since being a boy but now iv got the fly BUG, iv emptied the library and bought a good few books too. you only get out what you put into anything! best fish to date from the river was a beautiful brownie approx 18-20 inch, but the mate i started with was telling me 5-8 inch was the norm in this river for fly, its good for chub and barbel. wot about you? same questions,look forward to hearing from you


Well, I mostly fish lakes for rainbow trout, cutthroat trout, and brook trout, Although preferring to use dry flies whenever practical, more often than not, I end up fishing subsurface flies. I too enjoy fishing chironomid imitations (buzzers). Regarding flyrods, mine are Sage, which is a local manufacturer.
Best regards,
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 1:51 am EDT
so you,l use number 7 or 8 weight lines? i use 6 on river and 7/8 for the stillwater. i love the look of the brookies they are beautifull,cutthroat? any pics? my favourites are the browns like but in the stillwaters its mainly rainbows due to cost. i fish a smaller lake called tanfield which has an awesome hatch and full of signal crayfish which makes the trout fight amazingly. iv been using a shimano biocraft and shakespeare rod for now but as we speak im waiting and praying my new greys grxi+ rod turns up for the weekend!haha. do you tie your own flies? i just5 tie my lures for now but guna buy some buzzer hooks and give them a go as the early season lure pulling is done now, i tie cats whisker,blobs and fritzy type lures
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Taxon on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 2:54 am EDT
Flyman85-

For smaller streams, I use a 4 weight rod and line. And for larger rivers and stillwaters, I use a 6 weight rod and lines. Although I don't take fish photos, you should be able to find lots of cutthroat trout pictures on this forum. Yes, I tie my own flies, not particularly artistically, but they seem to work. And you should probably try to forget about delivery of that new rod, as "a watched pot never boils."
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 6:54 am EDT
yeeeeeeeeeeeeha, it came this morning and only ordered on wednesday at 4.30pm. absolutely over the moon with it! like your phrase of the watched pot!hahaha. what type do you tie then? buzzers etc as said before i can only tie lures to date but only been into the sport for approx 6mts. how much you pay to fish in us? for what bag limit?
for me my favourite 2 are leighton resorvoir dusk till dawn £21 4 fish or tanfield lodge £14 4 fish 8am till dusk, my local river is a free stretch but obviously requires an ea rod licence,
are the streams and brooks free for you guys?
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 6:57 am EDT
my nickname between me and my mates is manboy!haha because iv done it a short time but put so much effort into readind and learning and im pretty advanced for a newcomer(without being bigheaded)! tight lines
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PaulRoberts on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 7:29 am EDT
Ho!
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 7:39 am EDT
@paul roberts
ho? what do you mean?
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 7:43 am EDT
the brookie must be a relative of the char then? white edged fins? can you list all the trout that you can fish for in your area in the wild please?
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Taxon on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 8:22 am EDT
Flyman85-

yeeeeeeeeeeeeha, it came this morning and only ordered on wednesday at 4.30pm. absolutely over the moon with it!


Funny. Can hardly wait to see what expression surfaces if you ever actually get excited about something.

like your phrase of the watched pot!hahaha.


Yeah, it probably dates me, as both it and I are a bit ancient.

what type do you tie then?


Pretty much anything that will attract a trout, I guess.

how much you pay to fish in us?


In Washington (WA), which is in the NW corner of our 48 contiguous states, a resident annual freshwater fishing license is $24, but it varies by state, and if you travel outside your state (of residence) to fish, it is generally necessary to purchase a (more expensive) non-resident fishing license for each state in which you fish. So, that can get pretty expensive in a big hurry.

for what bag limit?


In WA, it depends of the classification of the water, and even the time of year, and there so many exceptions that it takes a 1/2 inch thick set of fishing regulations to describe them all. However, it is generally either (5), or only (1), which has to be over 14 inches for streams, or over 18 inches for lakes, or (0) can be retained (catch and release only).

are the streams and brooks free for you guys?


In WA, nearly all moving water is is public, which means that there is no fee to fish it once one has purchased a license. And, that is also true for the vast majority of our lakes. However, there are some privately owned (and stocked) lakes, where either a pricey rod fee is charged, and you can't retain the fish, and others where all caught trout must be retained, and you are changed for any trout you you catch.


Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 11:34 am EDT
im calm and collected on the bank haha. i release all river fish but take the odd stockie, my mate once said that stockies are easy but wont take my challenge of getting 20-30 well they are easy right? not, they soon become wild and difficult, iv had a few wintered fish aswell,the 8lber i got was 25inch and really fat, might not be a good fish to experienced fisherman but i was pleased and thats all that counts to me!
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PaulRoberts on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 12:04 pm EDT
@paul roberts
ho? what do you mean?

I like to welcome new people, but am really busy right now. I got really cheap with my time on this one: 'Ho' was short for "Hey Ho" -which is a "Hello". Has nothing to do with prostitution lol.

Also, since I am the proud holder of the Troutnut Tostoy Award I feel challenged to answer --occasionally-- in as short a form as I can. I think I broke my record with that one.
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Oldredbarn on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 12:31 pm EDT
I think I broke my record with that one.


You sure did...:)

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Flyman85 on May 13, 2011May 13th, 2011, 12:51 pm EDT
on leaders is x5 the breaking strain? in england we do it in lbs. any uk users on here?????????????

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